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Subject: Re: Alexandria Library total burned in the 7th by moslems invasion
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:36:44 -0400

Dear All:
The black moslems history in the Middle East, and Minor Asia during the
terrors attacks in the seven century. Were include Alexandria Library,
killing almost all Jewish, Christians men in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and other
countries by the famous terror messanger mohammed the prophet.
Alexandria Library were hit by several minor fires during it history (200
BC-645 AD).

The moslem Kaliffa Omar Ibn El Katab (like the Kommeni's in Iran) ordered
to burn the library because it doesn't say any word about the terror
mohammed so the books are belongs to the infidels, and the library has to
be burned. It took the terrors three years to burn the best library in the
history.
Tell the moslems stop giving false information about their terror history
during their terror days.

18/10/02
Subject: Library of Alexanderia
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:31:51 -0400

Bibliotheca Alexandrina to Open

By SARAH EL DEEB
.c The Associated Press

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (AP) - Presidents and royalty gathered Wednesday to help
Egypt inaugurate the Bibliotheca Alexandrina, a modern version of the
famous ancient library known for a freedom of thought and expression
lacking in today's Middle East.

While the new library cannot match the 500,000 scrolls said to have been
housed in the Great Library of Alexandria before it burned down in the
fourth century, it has a digital archive that includes 10 billion Web pages
dating back to 1996.

French President Jacques Chirac, Queen Sofia of Spain, Queen Rania of
Jordan and Greek President Costis Stephanopoulos are among some 300
dignitaries invited to help President Hosni Mubarak open the library with
his wife, Suzanne, a prime advocate of the project.

A special act of parliament last year guarantees the library administration
independence. Ismail Serageldin, a former World Bank vice president, said
he believed that action would ensure freedom of ideas.

Freedom of expression is at a premium throughout the region where
governments, including Egypt, have imposed censorship and jailed those who
express unpopular ideas.

Egypt is capable ``historically, geographically and culturally'' of
providing a library dedicated to discourse, understanding and tolerance, he
said. But already, the library has been at the center of controversy. A
photo book in the collection showing Egyptian slum neighborhoods brought
complaints that it reflected poorly on the country.

The international project, envisaged in the late 1980s, has been delayed
many times. A 1990 UNESCO declaration called for international support to
revive the ancient center of learning, but the Gulf War curtailed
contributions. An official opening scheduled in April was put off as
inappropriate because of violence in the Palestinian territories.

Since a ``soft opening'' last October, the library has hosted conferences,
exhibits and concerts. It will begin receiving scholars and tourists next
week. Ceremonies marking the opening will continue to the end of the month.

The $230 million project - which drew financial and logistical support from
around the world - aspires to reflect the spirit of the ancient
Bibliotheca, founded around 295 B.C. by Ptolemy I Soter, the successor of
this city's founder, Alexander the Great.

Scholars in the ancient library are thought to have produced the
Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament; edited Homer's
works; and found that Helios, the sun - not Earth - was the center of our
galaxy.

The new library stands on what archeologists believe is the site of the
ancient one, and UNESCO statements have said it could help change the
cultural map of the region.

In the modern Middle East, the spirit of scientific inquiry and the free
exchange of ideas seems to be under siege.

In Egypt, Islamic extremists have sought to muffle expression they see as
blasphemous. The government has banned books and plays deemed immoral.
Moustaba al-Abbadi, an Alexandria historian who inspired the library's
revival, has complained Egypt has been reduced to ``scientific dependency
and backwardness.''

The library - which has a capacity for 4 million books- now houses some
240,000 volumes, a minor collection compared to the 18 million volumes of
the U.S. Library of Congress or the 12 million of the National Library of
France.

18/10/02
Subject: sheikh Bebawi wa betanatoh
From: <SFGohara@copticdigest.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:16:41 -0400

Re Bolbol Bebawi Radiya Allaho 3anh:

Bolbol entertains us again with his hypocritical and boring words of wisdom
on the pages of Al-Ahram. He wrote a whole article claiming that the
prophet of Islam's raids against other tribes were committed in self
defense. Of course we all know that this is the invariable response we get
from Moslems and apologists of sIslam to justify these acts. Bolbol
offered nothing new. Whether one chooses to believe him or not depends on
how aware is the he or she of the unembellished history of early Islam.

Suffice it to say that with Islam, a culture was created which resulted in
the invasion of Persia, Western Asia and North Africa, including our
country, Egypt, within ten years of Mohammed's death. The chauvinism of his
followers is also largely responsible for the suffering of millions, pehaps
even billions, of people over the last 1400 years, starting from the
converted barbarian Arabic tribes of the Arabian Peninsula to the innocent
tourists of the Indonesian island of Bali.

The prophet of Islam may have carried out his "self defense ghazawat" successfuly
to the point that not only did he survive the presumed conspiracies that our Bolbol is
trying to sell, but he certainly was not very successful convincing his followers to
leave others in peace even after his death.

The prophet of Islam did not leave his followers with clear cut statements
to curb their aggression and stop their unending attempts to convert the
whole world to his faith. If anything, there is plenty of reason to believe
that there are texts in his written legacy that can be, and are being,
interpreted as advocating violence against those who don't believe in his
mission, al kafara wal moshrekeen wal daleen, Christians, Jews, and
pagans. This text is the basis of incalculable aggressions committed by his
followers against other innocent humans over the last fourteen centuries.

Ben Laden is the most recent example of the followers who choose to take
the above mentioned texts as the theological basis of the atrocities that
world is enduring now. Mohammad must really be one of the most
"misunderstood" men in history not only by those who don't believe in his
mission, but by some of his own believers as well since they continue to
spread terror around the globe with an unyielding determination. This is
encountered by a few whispers from the other believers who disagree with
this interpretation of Islam, and they are almost exclusively residing in
the Western countries.

Islam apologists can rightly claim that there are the good and the bad
among any group of people. This leads us to the question: What does the
majority of Moslems really believe? And if they are for peace, tolerence,
justice, etc. then how come this is not showing in countries where the
majority are Moslems? And how come the Moslems of the West are so silent
about what is going on there?

This silence of the Moslems of the West about the ungodly mess going on
"back home" makes them suspects of not being sincere in their advocacy of
peace, justice and acceptance of the others. This could be seen as a
tactical position taken to deflect the wrath of the victims of the
extremist Moslem aggressors in the countries where they are living now and
which were, and still are, being victimized by terror from people who
equally claim Islam as their religion.

For so many billions of people to suffer over more that 1400 years just for
a single man and a small group of his supporters to "defend themselves" is
perhaps one of the most unfair acts on Allah.

Nabil Luka Bebawi is not only being despised by the Copts who he claims to
belong at least nominally, but by most intelligent Moslems who know who he
is and what is he after. Almost every Copt except for Bebawi and his ilk
have totally differnt views regarding this matter and for very good rasons.

One last request I address to mawlana el sheikh Bebawi wa betanatoh is to
indicate somehow that the views that he expresses are only theirs and don't
represent the Copts'.



Sabry Fawzy Gohara, M.D., FRCSC